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"Patji is a Shard of Adonalsium."▼
Someone ought to add Harmony to the list of shards. <small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.186.236.186]] 00:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC)</small>
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/256-oathbringer-london-signing/#e8606▼
I saw this while reading WoBs, and attempted to add this. However, I couldn't figure out how the references work. Could someone more experienced add this as an eleventh known Shard?▼
== New Shard Dominion ==
:Patji is an avatar of Autonomy, not a new Shard. --[[User:Jofwu|Jofwu]] ([[User talk:Jofwu|talk]]) 19:27, 26 April 2018 (MST)▼
The sixth reference supposedly supports assertions about another shard being revealed (dominion). But the linked interview doesn't mention shards or dominion anywhere. <small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.206.140.226]] 04:44, 7 July 2014 (UTC)</small>▼
== Splinters and Spren ==
: Spren are part Honor and part Cultivation (Save Voidspren), so they are not entirely of Honor (except perhaps the Honorspren). <small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/192.107.136.154]] 14:52, 10 January 2023 (UTC)</small>
== "Ruin and Preservation can both whisper into the minds of humans." ==▼
According to SoS, only Ruin can whisper. Preservation can only read mind. <small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.105]] 13:44, 18 January 2016 (UTC)</small>
== Shard for Cryptics ==
Do the Patternspren get a shard? Could that explain epigraph 11 in Way of Kings? <small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Mocpages]] 16:44, 29 June 2016 (UTC)</small>▼
▲*My understanding was that Sazed held Ruin and Preservation, and wasn't able to unite them due to their opposed nature. Thus Harmony is just a nickname for Sazed-as-Ruin-and-Preservation, not an actual united shard. --[[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.101|198.41.238.101]] 13:33, 16 August 2015 (MDT)
== Domi as Dominion or Devotion ==
▲-He describes mingling them in HoA and all creatures on Scadrial are mingling so it is likely that they have been mixed into harmony
The article's suggestion that Domi is short for Dominion seems implausible, as Domi matches Devotion much more closely. (Jaddeth, on the other hand, is presumably based on Dominion.) Furthermore, it is explicit in the list of Aons that Domi comes from Aon Omi, meaning love. <small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.222]] 00:36, 18 December 2016 (UTC)</small>▼
:Yeah I just removed that line. That's just plain wrong, and never should have been added.--[[User:WeiryWriter|WeiryWriter]] ([[User talk:WeiryWriter|talk]]) 19:31, 17 December 2016 (MST)▼
Is Trell a Shard? <small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Meep]] 22:27, 5 February 2017 (UTC)</small>
== Confirmed Splinters ==
▲The sixth reference supposedly supports assertions about another shard being revealed (dominion). But the linked interview doesn't mention shards or dominion anywhere.
The divine Breath that Returned hold ... and the Aon within a Seon ... are the only confirmed Splinters" - aren't spren also splinters of honor? <small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:AllomancerJak]] 16:31, 11 September 2017 (UTC)</small>▼
== Threnody ==
According to WoB, Threnody doesn't have a shard. So why is Ambition shown to be on Threnody?▼
Take a look: http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kw=threnody▼
▲Splinters and Spren: Didn't we have WoB at one stage that Spren are Splinters of Honour? They're currently not listed in this section, so I'll try to hunt down the relevant interview, assuming it wasn't pre 17th shard and unarchived. --[[Special:Contributions/198.41.238.101|198.41.238.101]] 13:33, 16 August 2015 (MDT)
<small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.127]] 21:28, 3 November 2017 (UTC)</small>
▲== "Ruin and Preservation can both whisper into the minds of humans." ==
: Ambition has been dead for a long time, so "world" should probably be N/A rather than Threnody. But I imagine that Threnody is listed because that's where Ambition fought Odium, and chunks of Ambition's power were ripped off and have probably had lasting effects on Threnody, and might still be lingering? --[[User:Shroom|Shroom]] ([[User talk:Shroom|talk]]) 18:37, 4 November 2017 (MST)
▲Do the Patternspren get a shard? Could that explain epigraph 11 in Way of Kings?
::: Threnody is listed due to the fact that portions of Ambition's power were ripped out and Invested into Threnody causing "Disturbing effects", likely referring to Shades and the Evil, and a perpendicularity of "morbid origin". I feel it is safe to say Ambition is basically invested into Threnody, albeit in a strange manner. --[[User:Firesong|Firesong]] ([[User talk:Firesong|talk]]) 01:21, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
== New Shard Patji ==
▲The article's suggestion that Domi is short for Dominion seems implausible, as Domi matches Devotion much more closely. (Jaddeth, on the other hand, is presumably based on Dominion.) Furthermore, it is explicit in the list of Aons that Domi comes from Aon Omi, meaning love.
▲"Patji is a Shard of Adonalsium."
▲:Yeah I just removed that line. That's just plain wrong, and never should have been added.--[[User:WeiryWriter|WeiryWriter]] ([[User talk:WeiryWriter|talk]]) 19:31, 17 December 2016 (MST)
▲https://wob.coppermind.net/events/256-oathbringer-london-signing/#e8606
▲I saw this while reading WoBs, and attempted to add this. However, I couldn't figure out how the references work. Could someone more experienced add this as an eleventh known Shard?
▲Is Trell a Shard?
<small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Tobbzn]] 13:51, 7 January 2018 (UTC)</small>
▲:Patji is an avatar of Autonomy, not a new Shard. --[[User:Jofwu|Jofwu]] ([[User talk:Jofwu|talk]]) 19:27, 26 April 2018 (MST)
== Odium ==
▲The divine Breath that Returned hold ... and the Aon within a Seon ... are the only confirmed Splinters" - aren't spren also splinters of honor?
For Odium, world should have a note saying "formerly Ashyn" <small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.167.178.149]] 20:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)</small>
▲== Threnody ==
:There's a lot of discussion going on with 'world' parameter at the moment as it has started causing some problems. Odium's page doesn't currently have this parameter on his infobox - at least for now, while we are figuring out how to proceed, it would be best to leave the page as it is (with the 'world' parameter blank). Although, if you have any suggestions about how we could improve the parameter and make it clearer/more efficient, please feel free to PM your thoughts through to myself or another Keeper on Discord (or on the Shard or a user talk page here). Cheers [[User:LadyLameness|LadyLameness]] ([[User talk:LadyLameness|talk]]) 21:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
▲According to WoB, Threnody doesn't have a shard. So why is Ambition shown to be on Threnody?
== Possible new shard ==
▲Take a look: http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kw=threnody
I have a guess about one of the unnamed shards. This guess was inspired by a single sentence from "Tress and the Emerald Sea". I'll only quote the first half of the sentence to avoid any other story details that may be spoilers but the full sentence was found on page 347 of the pdf ebook. <s>I couldn't figure out how to put spoiler tags so, just in case, I'm going to put several returns so the sentence I partially quote will be far below:</s> I'm sorry if this is not the right way to go about sharing this information I've never edited a wiki or posted in a wiki discussion before. The sentence starts "But if ever there were proof that Fate herself had placed long odds against [...]" The reason I believe this to be evidence for a new unnamed shard is the fact that "Fate" was capitalized as if it is a proper noun and is immediately followed by the pronoun "herself" as well as the context of the story in which this quote is found. --[[Special:Contributions/204.113.253.63|204.113.253.63]] 06:14, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
:: I struck the bit about the quote being several lines down and placed a spoiler tag at the top of the page. Beyond that, while it's possible this is the finalized Intent for the Wisdom/Prudence/"hide and survive" Shard, I agree with Firesong that it's too thin a statement for us to consider it the canonization of a new Shard; there's lots of other things it could be (e.g., a personification of fate as a concept or some other non-Shard entity, like how Tress refers to "Death himself[, with] nails in his eyes"). --[[User:Stargazer|Stargazer]] ([[User talk:Stargazer|talk]]) 23:19, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
▲**I'm not allowed to edit this page, but it could be something like "Unknown. Threnody (formerly)."?
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