User talk:LadyLameness

re Ahu being Jezrien: Well what is the source for this? shouldn't such a claim have a citation? or if not, then just remove it entirely. (King of Herdaz)

Sorry!

I will inform the staff next time! Every wiki has a welcome template and a deletion template. And correction: it wasn't vandalism, it was just a mistake. --Auri (Express yourself, be heard!) 08:47, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Auri, I'm not quite sure what you mean about every wiki having welcome and deletion templates. We already have a 'to be deleted' template and have not needed a welcome template on the Coppermind up until now and without reasoning it does not seem clear as to what purpose they serve. LadyLameness (talk) 08:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

February 2020

Please can you not revert my edits. It is my talk page. You wouldn't like it if I reverted your edits on your talk page, so please, in the future, do not do it to mine. By the way, I was updating my new signature. Can you tell me that it is purple? By the way, do you like my quote? Remember: Express yourself, be heard! --Auri (Express yourself, be heard!) 08:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I've been involved in this too, so I'll chime in. We have no objections if you want to organize your talk page by adding section headers and the like, but you should not be changing the comments that other people have left and we will restore them if that happens.
--Stargazer (talk) 08:59, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Vessels

LadyLameness why lock the Cosmere navbox? There are so many permissions locked down on this wiki, that it's hard for others to actually make it better and more usable. The Cosmere navbox could be so much more useful - and the Vessels are definitely something that belong there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Navigation_template#Properties). If you're reading about one Vessel, of course you're going to want to navigate to the others and the current setup is not at all conducive to that.

Hey! While we do try and limit locking pages, there are certain ones that get locked either because they have been repeatedly vandalised in the past or, in the case of the Cosmere navbox or other core wiki functions, templates, or special pages, because they need discussion before they are changed. We didn't actually realise this one wasn't currently locked, and the permissions that have been added are to promote active communication and aren't meant to imply that the page can't be updated. There is definitely an argument for adding the Vessels to the navbox, it just needs to be discussed and agreed upon first - if you wanted to come and drop your suggestion into our Discord then we can get that discussion rolling. :D

I do just want to note, that even if the permissions weren't currently set to 'staff only' on the Cosmere navbox page, they would still be restricted to logged in accounts that have been been given the editor permission - this is to stop spam and vandalism that will reflect on a large number of pages.

Are there other functions you've been having trouble with? It may be related to you not being logged in, but for spam prevention brand new accounts will have some additional restrictions that we can remove for you. Please let us know about of any other usability concerns you have - we are always looking at ways to improve user experience! LadyLameness (talk) 03:12, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

LadyLameness - that you're forcing me to create an email account to create a discord account in order to log in to discord and post a message to petition you to make an obviously helpful and needed change is just indicative of why this wiki isn't as high-quality as it should be at this point. Obligating new users to go through all this rigmarole is effectively negating all of the positive benefits of crowd-sourcing in the first place. I shouldn't be the one who has to justify a helpful change - the onus is on you or Stargazer to say why the change isn't helpful when it's clearly neither spam nor vandalism. And you'll notice that no comment was made by you or Stargazer why the change should be reverted - neither in the wiki nor the Discord.

As for the idea that navboxes need discussion before they are changed - I think you're going overboard here. It's not like the Cosmere navbox is some shining paragon as is. Vax is included as a planet purely on speculation, but Aslydin isn't included as a Worldhopper, Denth and Shashara aren't included, and neither are the members of the Ire, in particular, Riino. Including 'Survival Shard' under Shards is somewhat dubious, and Harmony wasn't even included until I added it. I'm glad you have re-added it following the reversion, but you broke the convention of alphabetical order.

Behavior like reverting non-spam/vandalism changes without explanation and excessive permissions are things that discourage people from participating in a community. For all you know, cliquey things like this have driven off newcomers that otherwise would've been willing to volunteer thousands of hours to better this wiki.