Talk:Iriali

Splinter Groups?

Someone pointed out to me that another possible scenario is that this is a distinct group of Iriali; we don't know that they're on the same Path as the Rosharan ones. Perhaps two groups both left the Iriali homeland and are following different Paths. I tend to think it's prolly another step and these are the same group that was on Roshar, but I don't think we know for sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Oudeis 22:14, 5 January 2023 (UTC) ((Oh, sorry, I don't Discuss a lot and I didn't realize I was supposed to sign it. It me, Oudeis))

Though this is certainly true, that is also distinctly a possibility on any of these lands, that after every land maybe different groups of Iriali go their separate ways. There is certainly not enough evidence to say this is the case one way or not here, so starting with the standing status quo assumption that it's one group seems wise. If we get further information on this, absolutely we would want to change the page, but that's speculative currently. It certainly seems that the entire group goes and leaves each planet, and there is currently not evidence they splinter. -- Chaos2651 (talk) 06:39, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Is it not worth mentioning that this is speculation instead of presenting it as fact? What's the harm in admitting it could be either? I've already seen people cite this article as proof that the group definitely hasn't splintered. Why does it "seem" like there's only one group throughout the cosmere? What is the evidence of that? -- User:Oudeis 19:18, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

The evidence is in the lack of evidence that there are multiple groups. We assume there is one because only one has ever been mentioned. Sure it definitely *could* be several groups, but we just can't know that for sure. Would be reasonable to say it could be a subgroup, I guess, if you can provide evidence that suggests the possibility. --User:Firesong 19:28, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Could it not be said just as well that the evidence for multiple groups is the lack of evidence that there is only one group? Why assume anything at all? Why present information as factual that we already know isn't confirmed, instead of just saying, it could be one of a few possibilities? What is gained by presenting speculation as fact? -- User:Oudeis 19:39, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Personally I do not think that presenting anything not 100% confirmed as speculation would be a good move. At the end of the day a large amount of content is not 100% confirmed by the books or Brandon themselves, most of the site would probably have to be tagged for one reason or another under this policy. In cases like this consensus would seem best to follow and the current consensus seems to be that there is most probably only one Irali group.--Debarra (talk) 19:44, 6 January 2023 (UTC)