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|world=Roshar
|universe=[[Cosmere]]
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|books=[[The Stormlight Archive]]
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The '''Old Magic''' is one of the magical systems in effect on [[Roshar]].
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In one of the Interludes in The Way of Kings, Baxil speaks about the boon and curse of the Old Magic, as well as the residency of the [[Nightwatcher]] in the Valley. Av says "|It's not a game, no matter how the stories try to put it. The [[Nightwatcher]] doesn't trick you or twist your words. You ask a boon. She gives what she feels you deserve, then gives you a curse to go along with it. Sometimes related, sometimes not."
|[[Av]]{{book ref|sa1|i|7}}
}}
 
The '''Old Magic''' is a manifestation of [[Investiture]] on [[Roshar]] that is known to predate spren bonds.{{wob ref|12681}} While there are other unknown elements to the Old Magic, no one on Roshar has been confirmed to know or make use of it.{{wob ref|10819}} As such, the most prevalent form of Old Magic comes in the form of boons and curses from the [[Nightwatcher]]: a person can gain a single unique ability from the Old Magic, but are also given a unique curse along with their boon, which may or may not be related.{{book ref|sa1|i|7}} [[Khriss]]'s writings in the [[Ars Arcanum]] states that it is cousin to [[Voidbinding]].{{book ref|sa4|part=ars}}
Little is known about the Old Magic. It is mentioned only in passing in '''[[The Way of Kings]]''' as [[Dalinar]] explains how he gained something but lost all memories of his wife by striking a deal with a powerful [[spren]] known as the [[Nightwatcher]].
In one of the Interludes in The Way of Kings, Baxil speaks about the boon and curse of the Old Magic, as well as the residency of the [[Nightwatcher]] in the Valley. Av says "It's not a game, no matter how the stories try to put it. The Nightwatcher doesn't trick you or twist your words. You ask a boon. She gives what she feels you deserve, then gives you a curse to go along with it. Sometimes related, sometimes not."
 
== Mechanics ==
In '''[[Words of Radiance]]''', it is indicated that [[Taravangian]], king of [[Kharbranth]], asked a boon of the [[Nightwatcher]]: 'The capacity to save this world from destruction.' It claims he was given that capacity and, with it, created the [[Diagram]]. The Diagram is a combination augury and plan written in a language created by [[Taravangian]] himself for the purpose which laid out how he could save [[Roshar]]. The curse that came with his boon is indicated to be that he is not always in possession of such capacity, and that his compassion for the results of the decisions he makes varies conversely with his level of logical reasoning. Some days he is as dull-minded as a [[Parshman]] and brought easily to tears as he realizes decisions he makes may bring death to innocents, while on others he is more intelligent and able-minded than the greatest scholar but regards everything he is ordering done with cold logic and an eye for the bigger picture of Roshar. As yet, he has had only one day of perfect mental capacity and he constantly wishes for just one more chance with such capability.{{book ref|sa3|i|5}}
To gain a boon and a curse from the Old Magic, a person has to seek the Nightwatcher. Anyone is allowed to seek a single boon from the Nightwatcher. To do this, the person must first travel to the [[Valley]] in the west, where the Nightwatcher resides. After finding the Nightwatcher, the person may request a boon. In very rare cases, a boon and curse can be given by [[Cultivation]].{{wob ref|9601}}{{book ref|sa3|114}} The precise phrasing of the request does not appear to make a difference, however, since the Nightwatcher bestows a boon that she feels the person deserves.{{book ref|sa1|i|7}} The Old Magic can be given to any sapient species, including ones not from Roshar.{{wob ref|9517}} A person's boon and curse stay with them for life and will stay with them if they leave Roshar.{{book ref|sa3|111}}{{wob ref|9517}} The boons and curses are limited in a particular manner.{{wob ref|1258}} According to [[Lift]], those who have the Old Magic have a certain "smell".{{book ref|sa3|65}} Many view the Old Magic as inscrutable.{{book ref|sa3|24}}
 
There is more to Old Magic than just boons and curses; however, there is no person currently known to make use of that.{{wob ref|10819}}
In '''[[Oathbringer]]''', it is revealed that the Nightwatcher is to the [[Shard]] [[Cultivation]] as the [[Stormfather]] is to [[Honor]]. We also learn that there is no record of anyone ever having had their curse lifted, though this clashes with [[Dalinar]]'s experience, as his memories of his wife, which had been stripped from him by the Old Magic's curse, begin slowly returning for unknown reasons. It is revealed that the returning memories were part of his curse, that he would remember how she had died.
 
Cultivation will sometimes intervene, and grant her own boons and curses in a far more calculated manner, and may use the Old Magic to distract from her own interference, possibly even creating the phenomenon.{{book ref|sa4|i|12}}{{book ref|sa4|i|5}}
The precise wording of her request is unknown, but [[Lift]] believes that "she was supposed to stay the same, and the world was supposed to change around her."{{book ref|edgedancer|1}} Lift interprets this to mean that she shouldn't age, which does not appear to be the case. The boon and curse are unknown, but Lift's abilities to physically touch [[Wyndle]] and to digest food into [[Stormlight]] are apparently related to one or both of these.{{book ref|wor|i|9}} Wyndle supposes that she is partially stuck in the Cognitive Realm.{{book ref|edgedancer|4}}
 
=== Boon ===
The Nightwatcher claims to have the ability to grant almost any physical request one might ask of her, though just because she can does not mean she will give what is asked for. She claims to be able to give many things such as renown, wealth, skill, the ability to swing a sword and never tire, beauty, followers, even glory. She even claims she can give a person physical possessions such as spheres, gemstones, [[Shardwielding|shards]], or a [[Nightblood|Blade]] that bleeds darkness and cannot be defeated.{{book ref|sa3|114}} The Nightwatcher does have trouble with extremely nebulous requests relating to human emotion.{{book ref|sa3|114}} The Nightwatcher is also capable of changing a person's species or eye color,{{wob ref|10470}}{{wob ref|11505}} and can alter a person's DNA or [[spiritweb]].{{wob ref|11226}}
 
=== Curse ===
Contrary to popular belief, it is not possible to avoid the curse by carefully phrasing a request--or even to predict the curse that the Nightwatcher will bestow.{{book ref|twok|i|7}} Interestingly, it does not appear that balance is carefully maintained through an individual blessing and curse--often, highly visible curses are the result of relatively minor boons. The curses can be quite thorough, however--in one case, a man lost all feeling in both of his hands until the day he died. Whether these curses follow some cosmic justice, or are merely the result of a capricious spren, is unknown. Many people throughout centuries have tried to find ways of dealing with their curse and a cure for them, with no successful attempts.{{book ref|sa3|24}} There is no record of anyone ever having had their curse lifted.{{book ref|sa3|111}}
 
== Known Users ==
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=== Lift ===
'''Boon:''' Produce [[Lifelight]] from mass; using Lifelight to Surgebind, being partially stuck within the Cognitive Realm, vision manipulation<br/>
'''Curse:''' Unknown
 
The precise wording of her request is unknown, but [[Lift]] believes that "she was supposed to stay the same, and the world was supposed to change around her."{{book ref|edgedancer|1}} Lift interprets this to mean that she shouldn't age, which does not appear to be the case. TheCultivation boonintervened and made it so that Lift's Surgebinding would be powered by Lifelight, rather than Stormlight, though the specifics of Lift's curse and boon are unknown,not butknown.{{book ref|sa4|i|5}}{{book ref|sa4|60}} Lift's abilities to physically touch [[Wyndle]] and to digest food into [[StormlightInvestiture]] are apparently related to one or both of these.{{book ref|worsa2|i|9}} Lift's spiritweb has something changed about it to allow her to convert her mass to Investiture directly.{{wob ref|2739}} She can only convert what she is able to metabolize for nutrients to Investiture.{{wob ref|2506}} Because of this, Lift is unable to get [[Stormlight]] from [[spheres]].{{wob ref|8073}} Wyndle supposes that she is partially stuck in the [[Cognitive Realm]].{{book ref|edgedancer|4}} Lift's boon also allows her control over the [[Dalinar's visions|visions]] entrusted to the [[Stormfather]] by [[Honor]]. She is able to enter the visions without the Stormfather's help, leaving on her own and taking [[Yanagawn]] with her.{{book ref|sa3|42}}
 
=== Dalinar Kholin ===
'''Boon:''' Loss of Spiritual whispers and guilt for the murders he had committed<br/>
'''Curse:''' Loss of all memories relating to Evi
 
[[Dalinar]] sought the Nightwatcher to end the pain he was feeling after causing the death of his wife, [[Evi Kholin]]. When he finally visited the [[Valley]], he asked to be "forgiven", much to Nightwatcher's confusion. Eventually, Cultivation decided to intervene. She erased his memories of Evi, calling it a "pruning" of his memory so he could grow and heal, but made it so that the memories would eventually return.{{book ref|sa3|114}} As a result, Dalinar has no memory of killing Evi or anything involving her, although he is aware she existed. Additionally, when someone mentions her name, all that he hears is "''Shshshsh''".{{book ref|sa1|61}}
 
=== Taravangian ===
'''Boon:''' The intelligence to keep Kharbranth intact while Rayse was Odium and the capacity to become the Shard's new Vessel<br/>
'''Curse:''' The inability to have both intelligence and compassion at the same time
 
[[Taravangian]] claims to have asked the Nightwatcher for, "Capacity. Capacity to stop what was coming. The capacity to save humankind."{{book ref|sa2|i|14}} Cultivation personally intervened when he asked for his boon.{{wob ref|13097}}{{book ref|sa4|i|12}} As a result, Taravangian's level of intelligence varies from day to day. This enabled him to write the [[Diagram (literature)|Diagram]] on a day of particularly notable intelligence. He believes that his curse is a level of compassion inversely proportional to his intelligence; he feels little to no compassion on days of high intelligence, contrasted with days of low intelligence and great compassion "to feel pain for what he had done."{{book ref|sa2|i|14}} Some days he is as dull-minded as a [[Parshman]] and brought easily to tears as he realizes decisions he makes may bring death to innocents, while on others he is more intelligent and able-minded than the greatest scholar but regards everything he is ordering done with cold logic and an eye for the bigger picture of Roshar.{{book ref|sa2|i|14}} The change in intelligence and compassion will still happen even if Taravangian is awake and conscious in the middle of the night.{{wob ref|11390}}
 
=== Av's family ===
 
==== Av's Brother ====
'''Boon:''' Unknown<br/>
'''Curse:''' Numb hands
 
[[Av]]'s brother's boon is unknown, as he was too embarrassed to share what he asked for. As a curse, both his hands became numb.{{book ref|twok|i|7}}
 
==== Av's Father ====
'''Boon:''' A heap of good cloth<br/>
'''Curse:''' Seeing the world upside down
 
Av's father received a heap of good cloth, which he sold to keep his family from starving during the lurnip famine.{{book ref|twok|i|7}} As a curse, he sees the world upside down. The rest of Av's brothers also went, as well as his mother. According to him, all of them except his father regret their curse.
 
=== Others ===
There is a rumor about a man who made every person he touched fall upwards ever since he visited the Old Magic.{{book ref|sa3|114}}
 
== Development ==
Brandon built the Old Magic into [[The Stormlight Archive]] because he felt that at a certain point he wanted there to be a contrast to rule-based magic systems. He wanted there to be a primal magic that didn't really adhere to the rules, one that couldn't be anticipated. Brandon felt that it was vital to include so that he didn't overexplain everything in the books. Characters, in some ways, can be given wish fulfillment, but even that can turn on its head because of the Old Magic as it doesn't give people what they think should have gotten.{{wob ref|8615}}
 
== Trivia ==
* It has been confirmed that Dalinar, Lift, and Taravangian all received their boons and curses directly from Cultivation, rather than from the Nightwatcher as is the norm. Brandon has also stated that this is of particular note, but has yet to say how.
 
== Notes ==
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