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'''Forgery''' is a manifestation of [[Investiture]] on [[Sel]] that is powered by the [[Dor]].{{wob ref|1083}}
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'''Forgery''' is a manifestation of [[Investiture]] on [[Sel]] that is powered by the [[Dor]].{{book ref|mb7|53}}
 
   
 
Much like [[AonDor]], [[Dakhor]], and the other known magical systems used elsewhere on Sel, Forgery involves shaping a specific form in order to evoke some sort of extra-normal event. There are many types of Forgery that are explored in ''[[The Emperor's Soul]]'', but all seem to involve the carving of a sort of stamp, the application of ink to the stamp, and then applying a mark onto the desired object or person.
 
Much like [[AonDor]], [[Dakhor]], and the other known magical systems used elsewhere on Sel, Forgery involves shaping a specific form in order to evoke some sort of extra-normal event. There are many types of Forgery that are explored in ''[[The Emperor's Soul]]'', but all seem to involve the carving of a sort of stamp, the application of ink to the stamp, and then applying a mark onto the desired object or person.
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== Prerequisites ==
 
== Prerequisites ==
In order for a Forger to access the [[Dor]] a few things have to occur. One generally has to be born in [[MaiPon]];{{wob ref|8516}} ancestry there does not seem to be required,{{wob ref|14908}} though it is possible that some combination of being of MaiPon descent or being born nearby and living in MaiPon at the time one gains the ability may also fill this prerequisite. However, not everyone who meets the geographical requirements can use the magic system,{{wob ref|6563}} despite what some believe.{{tes ref|5}} A Forger can Forge off of Sel if they bring Dor with them, dipping stamps in purified Dor, or making them with Invested Ink.{{book ref|mb7|42}}{{book ref|mb7|53}}{{book ref|mb7|54}}
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In order for a Forger to access the [[Dor]] a few things have to occur. One must be born in [[MaiPon]]{{wob ref|8516}} (though ancestry there is not required{{wob ref|14908}}), but this alone is not enough.{{wob ref|6563}} A form is also needed, which is done with the use of [[soulstamp]]s. Most Forgers are taught how to do mundane forgery such as reading people,{{tes ref|30}} writing, art, or personal signets before being taught to use soulstamps. Though it is not necessary, these skills are useful when combined with Forgery.{{tes ref|17}}
 
A form is also needed, which is done with the use of [[soulstamp]]s. Most Forgers are taught how to do mundane forgery such as reading people,{{tes ref|30}} writing, art, or personal signets before being taught to use soulstamps. Though it is not necessary, these skills are useful when combined with Forgery.{{tes ref|17}}
 
   
 
=== Soulstamps ===
 
=== Soulstamps ===
 
{{image|AU Emperor's Soul.jpeg|side=right|width=250px|Shai using a Soulstamp to add a mural to the wall of her cell}}
 
{{image|AU Emperor's Soul.jpeg|side=right|width=250px|Shai using a Soulstamp to add a mural to the wall of her cell}}
 
Soulstamps are the main medium for enacting a Forgery. They are used to stamp an object with a seal, which changes the object's past in a way described by the design of the stamp.{{tes ref|3}} The seal left by the stamp itself is also called a soulstamp.{{tes ref|2}} If the new history that the stamp implies is convincing enough the stamp will take and hold indefinitely. If not, the stamp will fail after an amount of time relative to the similarity of the histories. When failing, the soulstamp will evaporate and the subject will revert to normal.{{tes ref|12}} The subject will also turn back to normal if the soulstamp is forcefully taken off.{{tes ref|3}} A plausible enough stamp will stay nearly permanently. The more people who know of a Forgery, the more likely it is to fail.{{tes ref|3}} There are power modifiers for soulstamps similar to power modifiers for [[AonDor]].{{wob ref|129}}
 
Soulstamps are the main medium for enacting a Forgery. They are used to stamp an object with a seal, which changes the object's past in a way described by the design of the stamp.{{tes ref|3}} The seal left by the stamp itself is also called a soulstamp.{{tes ref|2}} If the new history that the stamp implies is convincing enough the stamp will take and hold indefinitely. If not, the stamp will fail after an amount of time relative to the similarity of the histories. When failing, the soulstamp will evaporate and the subject will revert to normal.{{tes ref|12}} The subject will also turn back to normal if the soulstamp is forcefully taken off.{{tes ref|3}} A plausible enough stamp will stay nearly permanently. The more people who know of a Forgery, the more likely it is to fail.{{tes ref|3}} There are power modifiers for soulstamps similar to power modifiers for [[AonDor]].{{wob ref|129}}
 
Universal stamps can be used on any relevant object without being programmed with it in mind, but will not last more than a few minutes.{{book ref|mb7|42}} However, if imbued with more Investiture, the period in which they last can be extended.{{book ref|mb7|53}} They can be reused multiple times.
 
 
Soulstamps using Invested Ink can be used even off-world, bypassing the normal geographic limitation of Selish systems.{{book ref|mb7|42}}
 
   
 
The seals left by soulstamps are slightly indented, and have a noticeable texture to them, regardless of the material they are stamped into.{{tes ref|3}} When a stamp fails, the embossed texture disappears, and the ink becomes as if fresh.{{tes ref|30}} While difficult, it is possible to soulstamp liquids.{{wob ref|9529}} Anyone can apply a soulstamp after a Forger has created it.{{tes ref|30}} Soulstamps will not work if a [[Bloodsealing|Bloodseal]] is being used on the subject.{{tes ref|76}} It is possible to make soulstamping a corrupted [[Investiture]].{{wob ref|13305}}
 
The seals left by soulstamps are slightly indented, and have a noticeable texture to them, regardless of the material they are stamped into.{{tes ref|3}} When a stamp fails, the embossed texture disappears, and the ink becomes as if fresh.{{tes ref|30}} While difficult, it is possible to soulstamp liquids.{{wob ref|9529}} Anyone can apply a soulstamp after a Forger has created it.{{tes ref|30}} Soulstamps will not work if a [[Bloodsealing|Bloodseal]] is being used on the subject.{{tes ref|76}} It is possible to make soulstamping a corrupted [[Investiture]].{{wob ref|13305}}
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In order to carve a soulstamp, one must have two bases of knowledge. The first base of knowledge is of the forms necessary to program the stamp. The forms imprinted on the stamp act like symbolic functions in a computer program, and it is necessary to put the correct forms in the correct positions to achieve the desired effect. The modifiers and forms required to encode a soulstamp function in a way similar to those of the AonDor, though different shapes are used.{{wob ref|4695}}{{wob ref|9864}}
 
In order to carve a soulstamp, one must have two bases of knowledge. The first base of knowledge is of the forms necessary to program the stamp. The forms imprinted on the stamp act like symbolic functions in a computer program, and it is necessary to put the correct forms in the correct positions to achieve the desired effect. The modifiers and forms required to encode a soulstamp function in a way similar to those of the AonDor, though different shapes are used.{{wob ref|4695}}{{wob ref|9864}}
   
The second base of knowledge is that of the altered history. The success rate of a soulstamp relies on the plausibility of a stamp to established history. While a Forger does not need to know everything about a subject to create a stamp for it, the more knowledge they have on the topic the more plausible, and thus successful, their stamp will be.{{tes ref|postscript}}{{wob ref|3521}} This is the reason why most Forgers spend so much time studying various knowledges and mundane forgery. Many simple Forgings require very little knowledge of the object, its history, or pertinent topics. Examples include reforging a table to be cared for rather than neglected,{{tes ref|12}} or reforging an [[Awakening|Awakened]] object to have a different command phrase.{{wob ref|7007}} Reforging things that are already Invested is more difficult.{{wob ref|7028}}
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The second base of knowledge is that of the altered history. The success rate of a soulstamp relies on the plausibility of a stamp to established history. While a Forger does not need to know everything about a subject to create a stamp for it, the more knowledge they have on the topic the more plausible, and thus successful, their stamp will be.{{tes ref|postscript}}{{wob ref|3521}} This is the reason why most Forgers spend so much time studying various knowledges and mundane forgery. Many simple Forgings require very little knowledge of the object, its history, or pertinent topics. Examples include reforging a table to be cared for rather than neglected,{{tes ref|12}} or reforging an [[Awakening|awakened]] object to have a different command phrase.{{wob ref|7007}} Reforging things that are already Invested is more difficult.{{wob ref|7028}}
   
 
=== Materials ===
 
=== Materials ===
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== Realmatics of Forgery ==
 
== Realmatics of Forgery ==
Forgery involves the use of Investiture present in the Dor accessed through a medium of a soulstamp. The seal on the soulstamp acts as the focus through the specific symbols carved upon it.{{wob ref|1083}} Like other [[Sel]]ish magic systems, Forgery uses a series of symbols that represent linguistic concepts applied with a variety of modifiers to encode the [[Intention]] of a given action into the focus directly. Though the Selish magics are often considered to use the concept of 'form' as their focus, it is more correct to think of these symbols as being a type of programming language using symbolic representation.{{wob ref|9831}}{{wob ref|4695}} A Forger must detail their intent with the correct pattern and arrangement of symbols and modifiers. The Dor is accessed through a [[Connection]] to MaiPon, and each soulstamp carries an impression of MaiPon on the reverse.{{tes ref|30}}{{wob ref|4680}}
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Forgery involves the use of Investiture present in the Dor accessed through a medium of a soulstamp. The seal on the soulstamp acts as the [[focus]] through the specific symbols carved upon it.{{wob ref|1083}} Like other [[Sel]]ish magic systems, Forgery uses a series of symbols that represent linguistic concepts applied with a variety of modifiers to encode the [[Intention]] of a given action into the focus directly. Though the Selish magics are often considered to use the concept of 'form' as their focus, it is more correct to think of these symbols as being a type of programming language using symbolic representation.{{wob ref|9831}}{{wob ref|4695}} A Forger must detail their intent with the correct pattern and arrangement of symbols and modifiers. The Dor is accessed through a [[Connection]] to MaiPon, and each soulstamp carries an impression of MaiPon on the reverse.{{tes ref|30}}{{wob ref|4680}}
   
 
Forgery utilizes a relatively small amount of Investiture in comparison to many other systems. As such, Forgers do not seem to be particularly Invested in ways that manifest outwardly, like the highly Invested [[Elantrian]]s or the [[Dahkor]] Monks.{{wob ref|10416}}{{wob ref|7299}} Another side effect of this is that Forgery has difficulty affecting Invested objects, though the unusual nature of Forgery has a number of loopholes available to it that offset that particular issue.{{wob ref|7007}}
 
Forgery utilizes a relatively small amount of Investiture in comparison to many other systems. As such, Forgers do not seem to be particularly Invested in ways that manifest outwardly, like the highly Invested [[Elantrian]]s or the [[Dahkor]] Monks.{{wob ref|10416}}{{wob ref|7299}} Another side effect of this is that Forgery has difficulty affecting Invested objects, though the unusual nature of Forgery has a number of loopholes available to it that offset that particular issue.{{wob ref|7007}}
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The innate Investiture present in the materials to carve and ink a soulstamp seem to have a positive correlation to the ability of the stamp to take.{{tes ref|3}} The amount of Investiture present in soulstone is unknown, but Forgery ink is known to function better with organic materials as physical mediums, with inks from more complex creatures (suspected to correlate to innate Investiture from [[Adonalsium]] upon creation) being more effective at aiding a seal in taking.
 
The innate Investiture present in the materials to carve and ink a soulstamp seem to have a positive correlation to the ability of the stamp to take.{{tes ref|3}} The amount of Investiture present in soulstone is unknown, but Forgery ink is known to function better with organic materials as physical mediums, with inks from more complex creatures (suspected to correlate to innate Investiture from [[Adonalsium]] upon creation) being more effective at aiding a seal in taking.
   
Forgery shares a number of Realmatic similarities with other forms of magic. As with all Selish magics, it is powered by the Dor, limited by location, limited by birthplace, and encoded with symbols in a programmatic fashion.{{book ref|mb7|42}}{{wob ref|4054}}{{wob ref|9831}}{{wob ref|4695}}{{wob ref|4680}} Forgery is similar to Soulcasting, however instead of influencing a Cognitive aspect directly, it offers the change through the encoded symbols. It is theorized that the plausibility factor of Forgeries is why a physical transformation from a Forgery takes vastly less Investiture than the more forceful change from Soulcasting. The careful encoding also makes Forgery more precise and detailed than Soulcasting. The subtype of Forgery known as Resealing is suspected to work in a similar fashion to [[Aon#Ien|Aon Ien]], and to a lesser extent other healing methods throughout the [[cosmere]] such as [[Feruchemical]] [[gold]] or [[Stormlight]] healing. The physical medium of stamps and seals are shared with the cousin system of Bloodsealing, as is the use of organic inks.
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Forgery shares a number of Realmatic similarities with other forms of magic. As with all Selish magics, it is powered by the Dor, limited by location, limited by birthplace, and encoded with symbols in a programmatic fashion.{{wob ref|4054}}{{wob ref|9831}}{{wob ref|4695}}{{wob ref|4680}} Forgery is similar to Soulcasting, however instead of influencing a Cognitive aspect directly, it offers the change through the encoded symbols. It is theorized that the plausibility factor of Forgeries is why a physical transformation from a Forgery takes vastly less Investiture than the more forceful change from Soulcasting. The careful encoding also makes Forgery more precise and detailed than Soulcasting. The subtype of Forgery known as Resealing is suspected to work in a similar fashion to [[Aon#Ien|Aon Ien]], and to a lesser extent other healing methods throughout the [[cosmere]] such as [[Feruchemical]] [[gold]] or [[Stormlight]] healing. The physical medium of stamps and seals are shared with the cousin system of Bloodsealing, as is the use of organic inks.
   
 
== Subtypes of Forgery ==
 
== Subtypes of Forgery ==
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== Relationship To MaiPon ==
 
== Relationship To MaiPon ==
Forgery has a specific tie to the land of MaiPon. Like all Selish magic, Forgery will decrease in power the further from MaiPon a Forger gets.{{wob ref|8617}}{{wob ref|6157}} The Dor is accessed through a connection to MaiPon, and each soulstamp carries an impression of MaiPon on the reverse.{{tes ref|30}}{{wob ref|4680}} It can be tricked into using the shape of a different location.{{wob ref|15954}}{{book ref|mb7|54}} For the same reason as the bloodline, the glyph of MaiPon cannot be simply changed to another glyph (such as Aon Aon) to allow Selish magic users of another location to use Forgery.{{wob ref|4054}} If a Forgery is taken to another planet in the cosmere, the Forgery would collapse.{{wob ref|5192}}
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Forgery has a specific tie to the land of MaiPon. Like all Selish magic, Forgery will decrease in power the further from MaiPon a Forger gets.{{wob ref|8617}}{{wob ref|6157}} The Dor is accessed through a connection to MaiPon, and each soulstamp carries an impression of MaiPon on the reverse.{{tes ref|30}}{{wob ref|4680}} For the same reason as the bloodline, the glyph of MaiPon cannot be simply changed to another glyph (such as Aon Aon) to correspond to a new area to power Forgery.{{wob ref|4054}} If a Forgery is taken to another [[Shardworld]] the Forgery would collapse.{{wob ref|5192}}
 
Forging can be done off-world if one uses Invested Ink,{{book ref|mb7|42}} and/or dipping it in unkeyed Investiture.{{book ref|mb7|53}}
 
   
 
== Interactions with Other Investitures ==
 
== Interactions with Other Investitures ==
With the power to change the past, Forgery can alter almost any property of anything, including humans, to create vast and interesting effects with other magic systems. However, since Forgery usually isn't powerful when it comes to raw Investiture strength, it has difficulty dealing with heavily Invested objects. Doing so requires much more Investiture than normal.{{wob ref|7007}}
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With the power to change the past, Forgery can alter almost any property of anything, including humans, to create vast and interesting effects with other magic systems. However, since Forgery usually isn't powerful when it comes to raw Investiture strength, it has difficulty dealing with heavily Invested objects. Doing so requires much more Investiture than normal.
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=== Elantrians ===
 
=== Elantrians ===
Forgery could be used to turn a person into an Elantrian. This would require changing where they were born and then soulforging themselves into an Elantrian, it also requires a very large amount of Investiture to take hold.{{book ref|mb7|54}}
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Forgery could be used to turn a person into an Elantrian. This would require changing where they were born and then soulforging themselves into an Elantrian. However, this would not give them access to AonDor, which would need a kind of super push from AonDor to achieve.{{wob ref|1386}}
 
However, this would not give them access to AonDor, which would need a kind of super push from AonDor to achieve.{{wob ref|1386}} However, this has lately been called into question.{{book ref|mb7|54}}
 
   
 
=== Allomancy ===
 
=== Allomancy ===
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=== Awakening ===
 
=== Awakening ===
An Awakened object could be reforged to have a different command phrase.{{wob ref|7007}}
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An awakened object could be reforged to have a different command phrase.{{wob ref|7007}}
   
 
=== Surgebinding ===
 
=== Surgebinding ===
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It can also be used to change the [[Knights Radiant|Radiant]] Order a Surgebinder belongs to, though there might be issues with Oaths not aligning well. This is easier than turning a non-Surgebinder into a Surgebinder, due to the preexisting Investiture in that person and the basis of the First Oath.{{wob ref|11388}}
 
It can also be used to change the [[Knights Radiant|Radiant]] Order a Surgebinder belongs to, though there might be issues with Oaths not aligning well. This is easier than turning a non-Surgebinder into a Surgebinder, due to the preexisting Investiture in that person and the basis of the First Oath.{{wob ref|11388}}
 
A soulstamp's duration can be lengthened by a Bondsmith.{{wob ref|16232}}
 
   
 
=== Shardblades and Shardplate ===
 
=== Shardblades and Shardplate ===
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== Notes ==
 
== Notes ==
 
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