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:::: Looks good Firesong! If you happen to have the reference on hand it would be good to add that as well. [[User:LadyLameness|LadyLameness]] ([[User talk:LadyLameness|talk]]) 22:36, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
:::: Using the birthplace as a tag just leads into the same issue however, why would the Vessels be referring to an entire planet rather than a specific location. [[Kaladin]] for instance has a known home village and thus has it down as his birthplace but Roshar as his world, see also [[Szeth]]. Characters without a concrete birthplace, besides the entire planet, simply have nothing labelled, see [[Dalinar]] and [[Shallan]]. Why should the Vessel pages be any different?--[[User:Debarra|Debarra]] ([[User talk:Debarra|talk]]) 23:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
::: Again I must say that your interpterion of the infobox is confusing to me and seems significantly less practical than simply making the world tag apply to their world of origin. As I have pointed out previously every other usage of the world box points towards the individuals world of origin and you are yet to give a reason as to why the Vessel pages should be any different. The usage of the box already seems quite clear and has a commonly understood consensus among users, why are you not willing to apply this to the Vessel pages as well?
::: Furthermore the alternative your suggesting, from what I can gather about it, seems to make little sense. Are you suggesting that rather than simply change the Vessel pages to meet the standard as set out in virtually every other page that we instead remodel the site to match them? Even in that case the infobox raises more questions than answers. Why is Bavadin down for Taldain but not First or Scadrial despite them manifesting equally in all three worlds? (And as far as we know an Avatar is present on Taldain but no sign of Bavadin herself, the only world we see herself interact with is Scadrial.) Why is Rayse down for Roshar when we know he visited four separate worlds at least (Sel, Threnody, Ashyn, Braize) and based on how investiture works his influence would still be on those worlds? Why is Tanavast down for Roshar when we know that their influence extends, at minimum, to Ashyn and Braize as well, as all three worlds are in the same system? Why is Ati down for Scadrial when we know his investiture is on Nalthis since it helped create Nightblood in a significant way? Multiple word of Brandon's has stated that location isn't even a meaningful term for Shards and Vessels since they are omnipresent, we even see this in how Harmony mentions that he talks to other Shards and how Autonomy just appears in different places. So why are the Shards not down for every single world then?
::: Ignoring the Vessel's how else do you propose the other pages work? What world is Hoid currently on, Roshar or Scadrial? What about Nazh and Khriss? Last time we saw Khriss she was on Scadrial but we know she went off world since. What about characters whom we know are currently resigning in Shadesmar, and thus have no associated world of current residence?
::: These problems literally only exist if we follow this new suggestion, which seems only to be made simply so the Vessel pages aren't down for their world of origin like every other page. It makes little sense to try and change the entire site wide policy rather than update the 10 or so offending pages. You yourself have even mentioned that the only reason they weren't stating Yolen was because their world of origin was not known until recently, it seems like they always would have simply said Yolen if that was known from the beginning.--[[User:Debarra|Debarra]] ([[User talk:Debarra|talk]]) 23:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
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