Editing Talk:Aon

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== Aon Gallery ==

I thought we had discussed this before, but I'm really not in favor of this. The way it was has some flaws but those will mostly be alleviated as more information comes to light. Although I do like how each symbol is in a square box even if the symbol itself isn't square. Is there anyway to do that with thumbnails? --[[User:WeiryWriter|WeiryWriter]] ([[User talk:WeiryWriter|talk]]) 17:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

: It makes more sense to have all the symbols in a gallery with maybe the symbols next to the descriptions too, but the way it was previously is just not good. I don't think it's possible to use mediawiki's image formatting to make square boxes on thumbnails. You'd probably have to construct some html yourself which is not going to be very nice. --[[User:Fbstj|Joe ST]] ([[User talk:Fbstj|talk]]) 09:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

== Missing Aon images ==
There are images of several Aons in the tenth anniversary glossary that aren't on the wiki. Could somebody please create images for these Aons? (I don't know how to do it): Aon Ake, Aon Are, Aon Dii, Aon Eda, Aon Ehe, Aon Eno, Aon Kae, Aon Toa. Thank you! [[User:TomPN|TomPN]] ([[User talk:TomPN|talk]]) 03:33, 23 March 2017 (MST)

: Just adding that Aon Soo is missing [[User:Haelbarde|Haelbarde]] ([[User talk:Haelbarde|talk]])

: Aon Aor doesn't have a picture on it, do we just not know what it looks like? [[User:Enochole|Enochole]] ([[User talk:Enochole|Talk]])  16:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:: It doesn't look like it's in the Ars Arcanum and as far as I can tell the only reference to it as "Aor plantation," so I think you're right that we just don't know its appearance. --[[User:Stargazer|Stargazer]] ([[User talk:Stargazer|talk]]) 20:10, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

== Reorganize Aon list ==

As it's currently laid out, the list of Aons is a bit unwieldy; the table of contents encroaches on the body of the article and the mix of images, quotes, section titles, and normal text makes it oddly spaced and difficult to read. On top of this, most individual Aons don't really have enough information associated with them to merit a full section anyway. I propose reformatting the page so that notable Aons (e.g. ones that are significant to the story or have long descriptions -- Aon, Ashe, maybe Daa, Ene, Nae, Omi, Rao, Reo, Shao, Tae, and Tia is my extremely rough list) get their own sections, followed by a table (with columns for name, picture, meaning, examples, and extra info) for the rest. I can make the edits myself, but I didn't want my first edit on the wiki to be a complete overhaul of a major page without at least getting some feedback first. Thoughts? [[User:Everlastingwonder|Everlastingwonder]] ([[User talk:Everlastingwonder|talk]]) 02:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
: Welcome to the Coppermind! I've had similar thoughts about this article before, but never came up with a method I liked for reorganizing it. The Coppermind's [[Coppermind:Keepers|Keepers]] have been talking, and we like your idea, but we'd like a bit more time to think about some of the details. We can sometimes forget to come back to discussions that we table, so if you don't hear more in a week or so, feel free to give us a nudge either here or in the [https://discordapp.com/invite/KEv3fhN Coppermind editors Discord] (though we're pretty excited about this, so we should be good about staying on top of it). If you have any further thoughts, like how a table should be formatted, feel free to chime in on that as well (or if you have ideas about anything else, of course). In the meantime, we'd also like to say thank you for pointing out this issue ''and'' for looking for feedback before making sweeping changes. Happy editing!
:--[[User:Stargazer|Stargazer]] ([[User talk:Stargazer|talk]]) 08:29, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
: Okay, so we really like this idea. The one sort of tweak is that we'd like to put all Aons in the table, so that it's sort of like a complete dictionary. So, any Aons with too much detail to all fit in the table would get both a table entry and a section or something elsewhere with additional information. The one other concern we have is getting the table to look right. To that end, I've thrown together some markups [[User:Stargazer/General_Testing#Aon_Tables|here]]. I'm not exactly a design expert though, and I'm sure you probably have some ideas too, so we'd love to hear your thoughts. Once that's settled, I think you'll be good to go ahead and do this.
:--[[User:Stargazer|Stargazer]] ([[User talk:Stargazer|talk]]) 00:26, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Possible Aons ==
Based on the vowels (a,e,i,o) and consonants (d,h,k,l,m,n,p,r,s,sh,t) used in Aons so far, the number of each in each Aon (two vowels, one consonant) and the number of ways they can be combined (vowel-vowel-consonant, vowel-consonant-vowel, consonant-vowel-vowel), there are 4x4x11x3 (4 possibles for the first vowel, 4 possibles for the second vowel, 11 possibles for the consonant, and 3 ways they can be arranged) possible Aons, or 528.

Aon Aeo proves that three-vowel Aons are also possible; there are 4x4x4 = 64 possible three-vowel Aons.

All together, this means there are 528+64 = 592 possible Aons, without introducing more vowel or consonant sounds.
[[User:TomPN|TomPN]] ([[User talk:TomPN|talk]]) 17:25, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

:[[User:TomPN|TomPN]], interesting to know, though I think for the purpose of anything we could put on the Coppermind, it'd be [[Help:Speculation|unduly speculative]] to use those numbers, since I don't think we know if all possible combinations are used or whether there might be additional sounds (entirely possible I'm forgetting and missing some WoB, in which case I'm happy to be corrected).
:--[[User:Stargazer|Stargazer]] ([[User talk:Stargazer|talk]]) 04:41, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

==Aon Shao==
I feel that was a valid interpretation of that illustration. We don't know the specifics of the curse that Tress was going to be subjected to but Charlie's obviously transformed him into a rat. All the other surrounding Aons most likely deal with what the curse transforms one into and the criteria and restrictions on breaking/fulfilling it. [[User:Lacrossedeamon|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon|talk]]) 04:18, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

: The image, however, explicitly does not show the curse she was to put on Tress, but instead a spell used in her battle with Hoid. Therefore, I question its actual accuracy. [[User:Firesong|Firesong]] ([[User talk:Firesong|talk]]) 05:37, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

::I disagree. If you look at her outstretched arm and its relationship to the Aons, Hoid, and Tress it and the Aons are oriented towards Tress while Hoid is coming in from the side, surprising Riina, and throwing up the Edo Aon (supplemented with what looks like Daa Aons for power) that protected Tress as described in the book. She doesn't have a battle with Hoid; he stops the curse and from their it's just dialogue. The only contradiction is that the text describes Hoid imposing himself between Tress and Riina instead of off to the side but the way the illustration is drawn clarifies that Riina is targeting Tress with the Aonic formation. [[User:Lacrossedeamon|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon|talk]]) 05:48, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

::: I just find it questionable to use the art in Tress as a form of undeniable canon. These aren't as focused on being informative a things such as the Folios, Sketchbooks, and such from Stormlight. These are just illustrations of Howard Lyon's personal interpretation of scenes. [[User:Firesong|Firesong]] ([[User talk:Firesong|talk]]) 06:01, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

::::That is fair. As I pointed out the illustration doesn't exactly line up with the text of the book (and given that the text is in universe narrated we don't know how well it lines up with what actually happened) but I would argue it's safe to accept it as broad strokes canon. At the very least I would assume it's not just Lyon's personal interpretation and he was coached on what Aons to include given that the Edo/Daa array (and Shao in Charlie's case) makes perfect sense in context of the narrative. [[User:Lacrossedeamon|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon|talk]]) 06:17, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

:::: Personally, I would say that with Isaac art directing, I imagine the Aons in the image were very much chosen intentionally. --[[User:Stargazer|Stargazer]] ([[User talk:Stargazer|talk]]) 08:46, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

==Aon Daa==
In the aforementioned painting, Hoid uses Aon Daa to modify Aon Edo. Is this use of Aon Daa canon? Do we know for what purpose these Daa Aons were added, and what they do to the Aon equation? Also, should someone add the use of Aon Edo to block other Aons to this? It currently sounds like Aon Edo can only be used to block physical attacks, not attacks using investiture. [[User:Enochole|Enochole]] ([[User talk:Enochole|Talk]])  21:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

: My opinion would be that, given Isaac's art direction, we could consider the use of Edo and Shao to be canonical, but I don't think we can really say what the exact purpose of Daa was there. --[[User:Stargazer|Stargazer]] ([[User talk:Stargazer|talk]]) 20:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

== Spacing in footnote ==

The sole footnote has a weird space before "material" that isn't present in the template. Bug in the hack that makes WoBs? [[User:Nitpicking|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking|talk]]) 01:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:I guess so? I have no idea why that’s there or how to fix it. I wish I could, because now that you point it out I can’t unsee it. [[User:Enochole|Enochole]] ([[User talk:Enochole|Talk]])  01:59, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

: What's happening here is that it's forcing the footnote across multiple columns. I'll see if I can find a way to fix that. --[[User:Stargazer|Stargazer]] ([[User talk:Stargazer|talk]]) 20:07, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

== Elantris 10th Anniversary ==
It says that this article isn't updated with information from the 10th anniversary edition of Elantris. I'm pretty sure it has been now, should that be taken out? [[User:Enochole|Enochole]] ([[User talk:Enochole|Talk]])  16:19, 16 May 2023 (UTC)