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::Behavior like reverting non-spam/vandalism changes without explanation and excessive permissions are things that discourage people from participating in a community. For all you know, cliquey things like this have driven off newcomers that otherwise would've been willing to volunteer thousands of hours to better this wiki.
:::Hey, LadyLameness and Stargazer here! If you would prefer not to join the Discord then that's definitely fine - we can continue to use talk pages to discuss changes, most people have just found that tedious in the past and prefer the quicker responses that an active chat room allows. But it definitely isn't the only way to communicate, here is just fine as well and we can relay your suggestions back to the other editors!
:::Regarding the particular edit of yours that was changed, unfortunately, the rollback feature doesn't allow users to leave a comment when using it, otherwise Stargazer would have left some sort of note. We can definitely see how that would be very frustrating for you and are sorry that we weren't able to leave some sort of message to explain our reasoning. As mentioned above, we're not opposed to changing the navbars, it just needs discussion beforehand and for a consensuses to be reached.
::: Navbar's in particular can garner a lot of debate about what should be included and what needs to be excluded, based on spoilers, current size, and projected size of the navbox. Not everything can be included and some things that might be useful aren't always enough to warrant being added. If you have any arguments you want voiced then we're happy to pass them on to make sure they're considered.
:::You raise some good points about the status of the cosmere navbar, but there are also arguments for not including the Vessels at this point, and we'd want to have a fuller discussion on that before proceeding. The changes you've suggested have been raised and are being discussed. Some editors have suggested changing up the worldhoppers section as well now that you've brought attention to it - there are definitely some changes that could happen there and questions about who should really be included. Do you think there are other sections that could be improved as well? The big question that's coming up is around spoilers - for example with adding Vessels, there's worries about including Sazed and Dalinar as those are immediate spoilers that jump out on pages people might not be expect them to be on. Do you have any thoughts? The current suggestion is to maybe limit Vessels to the original sixteen. Also apologies for not putting Harmony in the right place - Ladylameness didn't realise you had put him somewhere specific for a reason, we'll make sure that's fixed.
:::As for your note about excessive permissions, it would help if you could clarify which other permissions are causing issues. Most pages should be open to anyone to edit; there are some functions that are restricted to the 'editor' category, such as making new pages, to prevent spam from automated bots, but we can easily move you into that category if you have an account. However, the most restrictions will apply to edits made without an account - this is for accountability purposes and to prevent spam or vandalism , which are issues we have had to deal with in the past. We can definitely get you into a permissions group that has less restrictions, however, you will need a Coppermind account for that to happen.
:::While we do want to make the Coppermind as user friendly as we can, we do have to balance this with issues we've previously come up against. Sometimes there are measures we've put in place that should be rethought and it's always useful when these are brought up by other editors as it might not jump out to us why they're problematic. Something may have worked well in the past, but is no longer relevant or is now actively making things unnecessarily hard. It's really helpful that you've pointed some of this out and we would appreciate any more feedback you're able to give. However, as mentioned, there is a balance we need to find, so some permissions do need to be set in place so that the editing experience is pleasant for both current volunteers and new editors. [[User:LadyLameness|LadyLameness]][[User:Stargazer|Stargazer]] 08:02, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
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