User talk:Cem

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Statistical Analysis[edit]

Hey Cem, can I ask how you compiled your statistical analysis, I really like the stuff you've done and I think it would be awesome to be able to apply it to more of the books, or add extra information (like maybe to the depth of dialogue/mentions and stuff?) --Joe ST (talk) 11:25, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

It's nothing complicated, though it's a bit of boring work. I have all the books in ebook format. I just went and copied every POV in tWoK, one by one, to MS Word and got the word count from there. Then I dumped the word counts to Excel and let it make the calculations with few easy functions. Then I converted that to a wikitable using one of the online converters, and made some adjustments to make it prettier. All told, the whole process took an evening. I uploaded the Excel file here, if you want to take a look at it. I've thought about compiling the same sort of information for other books, but so far I haven't been able to muster enough motivation. I'll eventually get to it, but if anyone else wants to take a shot at it meanwhile, go ahead, I'd be happy to help. For improvements, I'm open to suggestions, can you clarify what you mean by "depth of dialogue/mentions?" --Cem (talk) 12:05, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
As in, counting how many words of dialogue each character has, or counting number of mentions/etc of different people.. Those are definitely more sizable tasks than your previous ones tho. I was just wondering out loud what other possibly interesting stats there might be thats all --Joe ST (talk) 12:10, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: Elhokar's Shards[edit]

Pretty sure it's canon that they're Gavilar's. I was just talking about this over on 17S here: --FeatherWriter

PS: How do you guys do the signature with the timestamp and all? Bluh there's so much I don't know.

To do the signature thing press the second button from the right at the top of the edit window.--WeiryWriter (talk) 18:32, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Or two dashes and four tildes (--~~~~)--Joe ST (talk) 18:35, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
About Elhokar's Shards, it's not like the Alethi elite to give them to charity, so they would undoubtedly pass down to a close relative. And since it didn't go down to Dalinar's line, the only eligible son would be Elhokar. So I agree the Shards probably belonged to Gavilar before Elhokar. Emphasize the "probably" though, it's still all too possible that's not how it went down until Brandon tells it's so. If you'd like to add that to Elhokar's article, maybe you could describe the chain of logic that leads you to your conclusion and use a wording that can't be interpreted as absolute fact.--Cem (talk) 18:52, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


Hey Cem, I think that you may be off in how you're interpreting use of tense. Feel free to correct me if you have some higher knowledge of this, but Coppermind:Style is pretty clear that present tense is the default, so far as I read it. Stuff that happens or "is" in the books is present tense, while only "history" sections that are recounted as historical should be in past.

I actually agree with your reversion in the Amydlatn article, since it's recounted as past tense in the book, but the reason you gave is not correct. So yes, "events in the past in the books" should be past tense, but not just all "events". "Shallan soulcasts a goblet to blood" is an event, but ought to be recounted in the present tense.

Forgive me if this was your intent all along and I simply misread you. --Kurkistan (talk) 21:15, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I disagree with the reversion. I think it should still be present tense, it is still during the time frame of the books and it isn't part of a history section. That article is short enough that it feels disjointed that it isn't all one tense, especially since the tense change isn't designated by a section change (i.e. History section header)--WeiryWriter (talk) 23:39, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Man, here I was trying to be all reasonable, but I'll cede the point and acknowledge my initial rightness, Weiry. ;) --Kurkistan (talk) 15:18, 18 February 2014 (UTC)